tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post114330154658079473..comments2024-01-06T00:28:45.062+08:00Comments on Bibliobibuli: Shirley Shinesbibliobibulihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16456636355933524132noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1144140802285931142006-04-04T16:53:00.000+08:002006-04-04T16:53:00.000+08:00Intelligent _men_ don't have it much easier. It's ...Intelligent _men_ don't have it much easier. It's not nice to read a book and come across something that's manifestly illogical. Or to read and find that the author didn't really do much research when it comes to names. This happens in cheap sword & sorcery books -- these people used to have names like "Conan" and "Ghak" and my personal favourite, "Dian" (means "candle" in Malay). They used to come from places like "Cimmeria" and "Pellucidar". Now they're all Tyrannids who come from Tyrannia. Which is another reason why I don't read much these days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143523281081893952006-03-28T13:21:00.000+08:002006-03-28T13:21:00.000+08:00spot yes, there are different varieties of malaysi...spot yes, there are different varieties of malaysian english for sure and singaporean english is virtually the same thing ...<BR/><BR/>and lydia - yes, lee su khim's book is excellent - she's a very good writer who knows her stuffbibliobibulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16456636355933524132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143513819248609632006-03-28T10:43:00.000+08:002006-03-28T10:43:00.000+08:00anon, I very good in Manglish one. For even more ...anon, I very good in Manglish one. For even more Manglish terms, refer to Lee Su Khim's Manglish : Malaysian English at its Wackiest! It's hilarious.Lydia Tehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10477088362900591404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143513516852348242006-03-28T10:38:00.000+08:002006-03-28T10:38:00.000+08:00I don't think one could point to any style of Mala...I don't think one could point to any style of Malaysian English (Sharon, I hear you on the linguistic objection!) as the definitive form. Singaporean English sounds awfully similar.<BR/><BR/>I've heard "she no like that" before. Heck, I think I sometimes say that!! :)Spothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07295768845774915250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143474689233582232006-03-27T23:51:00.000+08:002006-03-27T23:51:00.000+08:00cheeky monkey - yes would agree with what you say ...cheeky monkey - yes would agree with what you say about it sounding more like chinese american and malaysian english ...bibliobibulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16456636355933524132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143472002651055812006-03-27T23:06:00.000+08:002006-03-27T23:06:00.000+08:00I'm not saying that is exactly what she wrote, but...I'm not saying that is exactly what she wrote, but it's similar. :P What she read out is what you'd see in American shows of how chinese americans would say it. It doesn't sound like us at all. :P I mean, since we're so use to hearing Manglish, it sounds normal to us, but when she speaks it, it's just odd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143454707133599532006-03-27T18:18:00.000+08:002006-03-27T18:18:00.000+08:00"here is "unadulterated prejudice" against non-Ame..."here is "unadulterated prejudice" against non-American, non-British publishers."<BR/><BR/>I don't know. The US is a different world. Almost everthing there is done differently from the rest of the world. I don't suppose a lot of people there can relate to the rest of the world, unless they've actually been outside the country. So the books that typically sell there are about Americans and American life. If you wanted to sell there, you'd just have to be American, otherwise how would you know ? I wouldn't expect an American who's lived in the US all his life to write about Malaysian life either. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143452452120278192006-03-27T17:40:00.000+08:002006-03-27T17:40:00.000+08:00How about that, Lydia and I came up with the same....How about that, Lydia and I came up with the same. Is there a standard Manglish or what ? :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143452054388862722006-03-27T17:34:00.000+08:002006-03-27T17:34:00.000+08:00chet - the story is v. much anthologised inc. in t...chet - the story is v. much anthologised inc. in the merlion and the hibiscusbibliobibulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16456636355933524132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143450888786615422006-03-27T17:14:00.000+08:002006-03-27T17:14:00.000+08:00yup, true Manglish would be "she not like that one...yup, true Manglish would be "she not like that one lah" or maybe "she where got like that one ?" <BR/><BR/>These ppl, dunno tok what.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143444355983016742006-03-27T15:25:00.000+08:002006-03-27T15:25:00.000+08:00Sharon - "Mr Tang's Girls", from which Sister Swin...Sharon - "Mr Tang's Girls", from which <I>Sister Swing</I> originated, is in the book I showed you last Thursday evening. I wish I'd been there to show her the book. As you said, it's not on her list; I wonder if she remembers having published it?<BR/><BR/>I'll go read "Mr Tang's Girls" to check if it has any Manglish in it.Chethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10743260318771644192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143443273592250632006-03-27T15:07:00.000+08:002006-03-27T15:07:00.000+08:00hi marita - sorry you missed heryvonne - so now yo...hi marita - sorry you missed her<BR/><BR/>yvonne - so now you know why i was scribbling! need to make sense of some of the issues ... mainly for my own sake<BR/><BR/>don't think shirley has a blog ... or even a website of her own<BR/><BR/>dreamer idiot - yes, sorry for you too being so far away ... dunno if "pander" is the right word 'cos it has the connotation of selling out - i think you do have to think about your audience and much more so if you come from a country like malaysia<BR/><BR/>and yes "other vs other" is interesting - look at how it operates in malaysia ... look at how it operates among people of different classes in the UK ...<BR/><BR/>lydia - interesting question re. the other varieties of english - as shirley lim herself said on saturday - in malaysia we tend to look down on people who use malaysian english as being less intelligent somehow - and there is a great deal of prejudice against it (more about this another day when i can muster all my arguments)<BR/><BR/>greenbottle - "we're all racists" some truth there (although self-awareness mitigates the damage somewaht)<BR/><BR/>chet, lydia - i didn't hear that in any of the extracts she read so suggest you get hold of book and read chp 12 and see if you think she gets it right or notbibliobibulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16456636355933524132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143442077721943172006-03-27T14:47:00.000+08:002006-03-27T14:47:00.000+08:00Correct me if I'm wrong but "She no like that" in ...Correct me if I'm wrong but "She no like that" in Manglish would be "She not like that one."Lydia Tehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10477088362900591404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143427181866054562006-03-27T10:39:00.000+08:002006-03-27T10:39:00.000+08:00"But when she read it, it's "she no like that". Is..."But when she read it, it's "she no like that". Isn't that broken English and not Manglish? :P"<BR/><BR/>If that's her version of Manglish, no wonder a reviewer commented about the book being shoddily edited.Chethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10743260318771644192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143425343520550712006-03-27T10:09:00.000+08:002006-03-27T10:09:00.000+08:00other vs other?...check out spike Lee's darkly com...other vs other?...check out spike Lee's darkly comic 1989 movie "do the right thing" , arguably one of his best films and which touched on the korean vs black racism...and what a coincidence again...in my most recent nonsensical post "jambo bwana" i wrote this:...And another unpleasant fact of human behavior is that we are all racists…fortunately most of us are reasonable enough to be able to mask it most of the time…but in the bigger scheme of things whatever we do…racist undertones are never far from the surface…and territoriality and racism when mixed together gives explosive results… <BR/><BR/>and 'manglish'?...some of the local radio ads have the most hilarious and great manglish...somehow manglish falls flat in the written format...Greenbottlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15316111272589161400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143425152073406942006-03-27T10:05:00.000+08:002006-03-27T10:05:00.000+08:00I attended her book talk at Mid Valley the other d...I attended her book talk at Mid Valley the other day and I have a question: Do Malaysians really speak like that? I mean, when Shirley read the part where she writes Manglish, I couldn't help but think that's not how we speak at all. :P Manglish as I perceive it here is how we include the -lahs and -wans. But when she read it, it's "she no like that". Isn't that broken English and not Manglish? :PAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143397352972923482006-03-27T02:22:00.000+08:002006-03-27T02:22:00.000+08:00Sharon, thanks for a very informative and thought ...Sharon, thanks for a very informative and thought provoking post. I don't feel so bad for having missed it cos you got it down here.<BR/><BR/>Re Manglish resulting in a reviewer commenting on the book as being shoddily edited : I wonder if other writers get this type of review due to their usage of other patois, say, West Indian? I guess it's because American and British folks aren't familiar with Manglish.<BR/><BR/>I'll be swinging by the bookshop to get Swing Sister.Lydia Tehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10477088362900591404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143378080162878082006-03-26T21:01:00.000+08:002006-03-26T21:01:00.000+08:00Sexual awakening is also rather interesting...as a...Sexual awakening is also rather interesting...as a site of cultural and gender contestations, negotating the different identities and affiliations of being Asian, American and a girl/woman... and ultimately in finding and locating the self.<BR/><BR/>Other vs Other...whoaa...that I haven't really heard of yet, but how pertinent it is.dreameridiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14124953269206273794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143377314032939512006-03-26T20:48:00.000+08:002006-03-26T20:48:00.000+08:00Shirley Lim...What a pity. She's Professor of Engl...Shirley Lim...What a pity. She's Professor of English at University of California, Santa Barbara, specialising in Asian American lietrature (an authoritaive critic in the field) and Creative Writing. I would have love to meet her, discuss some critical issuew and probably ask her about the possibility of pursuing a PhD in the States. <BR/><BR/>As for her writing...I guess she couldn't help but 'pander' to the market she's writing to... What's more, her geographical and cultural dislocation as an Asian American has led her to stand in a fluid and ambivalent out/insider position that can only at best resolve itself through such artistic sacrifices and compromises.dreameridiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14124953269206273794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143354461558865032006-03-26T14:27:00.000+08:002006-03-26T14:27:00.000+08:00Thank goodness for your blog. Look how much I have...Thank goodness for your blog. Look how much I have missed even though I was physically present! <BR/><BR/>By the way, since US bookstores do not stock books by non-American and non-british publishers, wouldn't that handicap readers there, depriving them of foreign literature?<BR/><BR/>P/S: Does Shirley have a blog? ;)Yvonne Foonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12908132837504150283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-1143348104495531422006-03-26T12:41:00.000+08:002006-03-26T12:41:00.000+08:00Hmm, i heard shirley on radio the other day and co...Hmm, i heard shirley on radio the other day and contemplated going to her readings. But since I'm at Amcorp Mall right now and on my way to Megamall, and she's at the Curve today, I guess I'm not going to see her after all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com