tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post7605722715180526096..comments2024-01-06T00:28:45.062+08:00Comments on Bibliobibuli: Adeline's Apologybibliobibulihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16456636355933524132noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-72131414808435346342010-03-12T22:32:10.730+08:002010-03-12T22:32:10.730+08:00To all who have criticized my friend:
You do not ...To all who have criticized my friend:<br /><br />You do not know Adeline the way I do, and therefore have no right to judge her as if you have known her. Adeline has made a genuine mistake and I believe her. For those of you who says she showed no signs of morality or guilt during the open ceremony of the publishing of her book, instead of jumping straight to conclusions saying that she have not a shred of honesty in her when she did not show any signs of weakness, why can't you understand that maybe, just maybe, that she made a genuine mistake?<br /><br />I will say this again, all of you have no right to generalize the issue and neither do you have the right to judge her, not knowing her personally.Aaron ArkAngelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14047433948261034712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-6528616198390255892009-12-17T21:59:21.362+08:002009-12-17T21:59:21.362+08:00Jen - thanks! hey that's kee thuan chye's...Jen - thanks! hey that's kee thuan chye's daughter!!!! she won the mph young writers comp too some time back and writes reviews for the star sometimesbibliobibulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16456636355933524132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-159745809876309852009-12-16T23:52:41.501+08:002009-12-16T23:52:41.501+08:00Dear fadz,
of course, my answer is/will be/has be...Dear fadz,<br /><br />of course, my answer is/will be/has been/will always be, again, YES. YES. YES. ink should be given to those whose work is deserving. age and nationality are not primary considerations! this rule should run in any country. if critics/readers feel that the ink is wrongly given, then it is their right to shoot it down. To give in is to tolerate the proliferation of crap. quality before all.<br /><br />chicken soups ,eragon and suchlikes are in a category known as pulp fiction, or trashy novels (btw, funnily enough you should really find out abt eragon's publishing history [self-published, ceaselessly promoted, almost to the point of giving up, but then alas, evil reigned...] and its reasons for success before throwing it at me ^_^) if you are aiming/referring to that, then ehhh, eww? (btw they have a truckload of their own critics too, and oh YES! my goodness, eragon too! nooooo, really?! YES, really...duh ^_^) <br /><br />what i am trying to say is, give ink to quality. not quantity, age, slant, family, nationality, blah blah blah. <br /><br />oh yeah, and reading before praising and publishing. hehehe.<br /><br />(man, i hate commenting on blogger, the box is so small...)ericlowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10382011119733908144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-59560168153390750662009-12-16T21:20:44.580+08:002009-12-16T21:20:44.580+08:00Sharon,
If you scroll down the page you get Sunit...Sharon,<br /><br />If you scroll down the page you get Sunitra Kee Xiang Yin from Malaysia for "Light After Death" :) <br /><br />-Jencomposerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07245258186627444721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-31695902341408345632009-12-16T19:35:45.263+08:002009-12-16T19:35:45.263+08:00Oh. Heheehe. She's an actress. I didn't kn...Oh. Heheehe. She's an actress. I didn't know that. Anyway, she did get 'Highly Commended' for the story she wrote, and that's something, right?Fadzlishah Johanabashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207809388368447254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-11686378482184344002009-12-16T19:33:21.956+08:002009-12-16T19:33:21.956+08:00Here's a direct link to her story:
http://www...Here's a direct link to her story:<br /><br />http://www.cba.org.uk/awards_and_competitions/Short_Story/documents/YINSSK-LIGHTAFTERDEATH.pdf<br /><br />Was there an actress? Holy Moly, I didn't send a wrong link, did I?<br /><br />(Sigh...I still think about the story you linked, <i>The Not-Dead and the Saved</i>.Fadzlishah Johanabashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207809388368447254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-82956277915510078192009-12-16T19:33:03.554+08:002009-12-16T19:33:03.554+08:00Here's a direct link to her story:
http://www...Here's a direct link to her story:<br /><br />http://www.cba.org.uk/awards_and_competitions/Short_Story/documents/YINSSK-LIGHTAFTERDEATH.pdf<br /><br />Was there an actress? Holy Moly, I didn't send a wrong link, did I?<br /><br />(Sigh...I still think about the story you linked, <i>The Not-Dead and the Saved</i>.Fadzlishah Johanabashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207809388368447254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-48915942524900623012009-12-16T19:27:53.829+08:002009-12-16T19:27:53.829+08:00erm Fadz - the only ref to a malaysian on that pag...erm Fadz - the only ref to a malaysian on that page is one of the actresses ...bibliobibulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16456636355933524132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-58828249827790588222009-12-16T18:50:03.133+08:002009-12-16T18:50:03.133+08:00Fadz thanks so much for the news. my email is sha...Fadz thanks so much for the news. my email is sharonbakar@yahoo.com, maybe you are using the defunct streamyx one?<br /><br />Damyanti puts into words my thoughts exactly ...bibliobibulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16456636355933524132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-90522453535260655862009-12-16T17:32:43.494+08:002009-12-16T17:32:43.494+08:00Dear Sharon,
Salam. I tried emailing you before, ...Dear Sharon,<br /><br />Salam. I tried emailing you before, but was returned, saying the recipient address was invalid. Anyway, here's to trying again.<br /><br />I'm sad to say I wasn't shortlisted for the Commonwealth Short Story Competition 2009. Wasn't banking on it, anyway. But a Malaysian writer's story has been highly commended. Here's the link: http://www.cba.org.uk/awards_and_competitions/Short_Story/2009_ShortStory_Results.php. Just thought I'd share the wonderful news.<br /><br />By the way, I'm sorry I couldn't arrange a meet-up with you the past 2 weeks. Been quite hectic. I would still love to meet you and show you the version of A Long Sigh Goodnight I submitted to Glimmer Train (the result should be out end of this month), and other stories I hope to publish as an anthology, to get your honest opinion on them. I mean, I can keep writing tons of stories, but are they of publishable quality?<br /><br />Anyway, hope to see you soon, on a weekday during lunchtime perhaps.Fadzlishah Johanabashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207809388368447254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-72289064509920998812009-12-16T17:16:50.398+08:002009-12-16T17:16:50.398+08:00Eric Low,
I don't know how it is in Singapore...Eric Low,<br /><br />I don't know how it is in Singapore, and I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Malaysians are notorious for our disdain toward reading. And we can't exactly put the blame on youths and education system; it's somehow innate in the general population. Newspapers, OK. Tabloid magazines, for sure. Comics, bring them on. Novels, what? Journals, zzzzz.<br /><br />When I was in Secondary School, a teacher of mine wanted to confiscate a Fantasy novel I was reading, while other students in the classroom were either doodling, chatting, or dozing off. I had to explain to her that it was a story book, not even close to a comic. No pictures other than on the cover, see? I had to tell her I would rather read a storybook than waste my time not doing anything. Lucky for me she saw my logic (now you know why I like to argue in your comments section, Sharon. Not a debater though. I had stage-fright).<br /><br />When Malaysians see other people walking by, nose buried in a novel, they go, "Eh, look at that. Such a showoff." When they find out their colleagues spent over RM200 at a bookstore, they go, "Why waste your money? <i>Belanja</i> us lunch is better." Indeed, we Malaysians love food.<br /><br />Do you know that the bulk of Malaysian-English novels and anthologies sold at Kinokuniya are placed in a shelf labeled "Malaysian Literature" within the "Asian Literature" section? Where are the Horrors among Stephen King and Anne Rice? Where are Commercial Fictions among Dan Brown, Sidney Sheldon, Robert Ludlum? Where are the General Fictions among Paolo Coelho, Nicholas Sparks, Wally Lamb? And what about Science Fiction and Fantasy? Malaysian publishers don't even dare invest in those genres.<br /><br />Besides, a majority of those "Malaysian Literature" authors don't even live in Malaysia, their publishers not even Malaysians.<br /><br />How many people under 20 can attest to having a collection of publishable short stories, in any language? By 19 I had written over 15 complete stories, but were they publishable? I'm afraid not.<br /><br />When Christopher Paolini wrote and published Eragon, he caused a stir in the literary world, because his book became a bestseller, and was even adapted into a box office feature film. Not a cheap, D-grade indie production, but one that cost millions. And almost all the reviewers kept coming back to his tender age. 18. That's when he published his first novel, the first of a trilogy.<br /><br />I can't remember if it's Sharon's or Nathan Bransford's post, but there was a discussion about the irrelevance of a writer's age. But most argued that young people don't have the life experience to write deep, meaningful stories. I wouldn't have agreed with them when I was 17 and writing my third short story, but I agree with them now. And I hope I still have a long way to go, to collect more life experiences.<br /><br />So Eric, with all I have said, is it still laughable that someone be given ink because of age and nationality?Fadzlishah Johanabashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207809388368447254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-3550441255606354032009-12-16T15:52:25.136+08:002009-12-16T15:52:25.136+08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fadzlishah Johanabashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207809388368447254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-52857782778131676942009-12-16T08:16:14.321+08:002009-12-16T08:16:14.321+08:00Poppadumdum, I agree somewhat with Fadz that possi...Poppadumdum, I agree somewhat with Fadz that possibly never reading this writer's work would be a tad too extreme. I suppose any publisher who would take her on again would be very careful to check the veracity of her work, and she surely deserves another chance.<br /><br />On the other hand, I also feel Fadz's attitude of "imitation is flattery....case closed", is also a little extreme in its optimism. Writers can be inspired by a work they have read, but to copy it word for word is just not on. Imagine if everyone chose just to flatter in this way...pretty soon there would be no original work left.<br /><br />Adeline has been named and shamed, and for the moment that should be enough. The publisher has promptly withdrawn the books, and no one is making money out of plagiarism.<br /><br />If Adeline really has talent, she would write more stuff, and somebody would publish it. The most we do is be very vigilant when it comes to her work. <br /><br />But we must have it in us to appreciate it if Adeline decides to write an original work later, and it has genuine merit.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04283371140346602856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-76119228768351043942009-12-15T11:27:43.000+08:002009-12-15T11:27:43.000+08:00"A Malaysian author has published an English ..."A Malaysian author has published an English anthology. An 18-year-old Malaysian author. Why not celebrate that fact?"<br /><br />i find it laughable that someone is implying that a person should be given ink because of age and nationality.ericlowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10382011119733908144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-24071508802838631542009-12-14T17:03:49.202+08:002009-12-14T17:03:49.202+08:00Amir said "I wanna see if they all look like ...Amir said "I wanna see if they all look like Jessica Fletcher ;-)"<br /><br />Haha, I'm not the only one to think members of a women's reading club are ... er, matronly.<br /><br />But surely Amir was thinking more of Angela Lansbury?Chethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10743260318771644192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-12619507367323855982009-12-14T16:54:58.948+08:002009-12-14T16:54:58.948+08:00Isn't it called "self-fulfilling wish&quo...Isn't it called "self-fulfilling wish" or something?<br /><br />Amir wrote "I wanna see if they all look like Jessica Fletcher ;-)"<br /><br />Haha, I'm not the only one who thinks members of a women's reading club are ... er, matronly. And Amir - do you mean if they look like Angela Lansbury?Chethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10743260318771644192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-52944996039943923662009-12-14T15:16:18.330+08:002009-12-14T15:16:18.330+08:00Ee Leen, That sentence you discovered is called &#...Ee Leen, That sentence you discovered is called 'flicking a big, moist, pungent, glistening middle finger at her readers' ("they're so stupid they won't catch me anyway - even if I signpost my actions!") <br /><br />Amir, Jessica Fletcher? How insulting. They are more like Charlie's Angels version 2.0...<br /><br />Post modernism is a load of bollocks anyway...it is the result of the death of imagination. Like magical-realism as well.poppadumdumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15950779879008450102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-48727617154466497452009-12-14T14:08:54.536+08:002009-12-14T14:08:54.536+08:00eeleen sent me this by email and i thought it inte...eeleen sent me this by email and i thought it interesting :<br /><br />"I would also like to draw your attention to the following:<br /><br />In Adeline's story, there is this short paragraph on page 22 of the PDF file, near the top of the page:<br /><br />'How can I, Miss Negative, write something about happiness? Maybe I'll find an article on the Internet and copy it. No one will know where it comes from. I'm sure my old, outdated teacher would not know if I did that."<br /><br />Now, if that is not a statement of intent, I don't know what is. It is the only original paragraph of text that was inserted into the plagiarized text. <br /><br />It's really quite interesting: she referred to plagiarism while plagiarizing the story she'd written. If this was her attempt at being postmodern and metafictional, I'd pat her on the back. But I doubt it , hahahah."bibliobibulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16456636355933524132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-81115856423832227452009-12-14T12:52:03.860+08:002009-12-14T12:52:03.860+08:00Speaking of good old Yusuf, isn't he lucky tha...Speaking of good old Yusuf, isn't he lucky that Mohd Najib Ahmad Dawa didn't sue him for libel over <a href="http://www.arterimalaysia.com/2009/06/03/the-rainbow-warrior/" rel="nofollow">this</a>? ;-)Amir Muhammadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144421497045270238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-73385886952558565142009-12-14T11:57:25.108+08:002009-12-14T11:57:25.108+08:00i believe so Amir, and a switched on lot they must...i believe so Amir, and a switched on lot they must be. the message was conveyed to the wider world by Yusof Martin.bibliobibulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16456636355933524132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-10040515857295503962009-12-14T10:24:56.863+08:002009-12-14T10:24:56.863+08:00Is it true that this was discovered by a women'...Is it true that this was discovered by a women's reading club in Ipoh? I wanna meet them! And not just because I wanna see if they all look like Jessica Fletcher ;-)Amir Muhammadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08144421497045270238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-14159851771327587812009-12-14T09:55:36.031+08:002009-12-14T09:55:36.031+08:00well, Goran, destroying your own opportunities, ma...well, Goran, destroying your own opportunities, making everyone around you lose faith in you, destroying the trust of someone who has championed you, leaving yourself open to a major international lawsuit. well, it ain't so sensible is it? "idiot" is quite a good word, under the circumstances (though i hestitated to use it). mitigated in part by her youth and obvious naivety.<br /><br />but she is too young to have everything fall down around her ears and hope she weathers this and finds new creative outlets for her considerable talent. i wish her well too.bibliobibulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16456636355933524132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-58046882754773163832009-12-14T08:40:06.495+08:002009-12-14T08:40:06.495+08:00Fadz
Is that copycat mummy still plagiarising you...Fadz<br /><br />Is that copycat mummy still plagiarising your sister's blog? Please post the URL here, and I will go and post comments.Chethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10743260318771644192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-6563747509783451002009-12-14T01:27:55.916+08:002009-12-14T01:27:55.916+08:00I cant say i know what was going through Adeline L...I cant say i know what was going through Adeline Lee's mind when she did what she did. But I do know that she never had the intention to copy a story and pass it as her own. There is only two types of people who would intentionally do such a thing. <br />1. An idiot<br />2. A selfish deceitful foolish individual<br /><br />I have been lucky enough to have met her and I can guarantee she is neither. I think it is blindly obvious that a mistake was made. I hope Adeline is doing ok and wishes her all the best in the future.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05938432980125228797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7912730.post-58702810429199295682009-12-13T23:45:07.485+08:002009-12-13T23:45:07.485+08:00Well, my sister is a mommy-blogger (http://stillfi...Well, my sister is a mommy-blogger (http://stillfindingme.blogspot.com), and another mommy-blogger had plagiarized her blog, copying and pasting her posts verbatim, only adding 'hehehe' or 'bleh tak?' or something like that, intermittently between the pasted posts.<br /><br />She was furious.<br /><br />And this is what I said to her: people read her blog, people love it. Some love it so much that, but have not the capacity to express like my sister does, take the easy way and plagiarize her posts. Of course it's odd to copy-and-paste another woman's pregnancy symptoms and cravings (I wonder if the plagiarizer understood everything my sister wrote in the first place), as well as another mother's hopes for her unborn child, but she should take it as a compliment. The best form of compliment is imitation, right?<br /><br />Of course, if my stories get stolen and are sold under a different name, I would be pissed. But I would also know the real author of those works. I would know my works are good enough to be published. I will always be able to come up with stories of similar -- and perhaps of better -- quality. The plagiarizer unfortunately can't. He depended on other people's creativity and intellect to pass off as a better person. He can't produce more on his own.<br /><br />That's how I see it, and that's what I told my sister. She's still pissed about it, but she's moved on, and is currently writing a brilliant blog (I close an eye at the typos and grammatical errors though).<br /><br />You can be pissed your work gets stolen, or you can beam with pride. People love what you have produced. You can also make money out of it from a hefty lawsuit. Your original work (in digital form) has a time stamp on it. That's why I save my revisions in a different file.<br /><br />See, you can always, always choose to look for that small patch of clear sky during the monsoon.<br /><br />I do understand the feeling of betrayal, especially since you read the anthology and published a review on it. You advertised the work, and now you feel unclean. I would too. Imagine what writing communities from other countries would think of Malaysian authors, with plagiarism scandals popping up one after another. People would think we're hacks.<br /><br />But what you're implying can be likened to 'once a convict, always a convict', or HIV-infected drug abusers not deserving proper medical care because they brought it upon themselves. I'm not putting words in your mouth (God knows I hate it when people do that to me), but it looks like you won't consider Adeline learning from her mistake and emerging a better person, a better writer.<br /><br />It's easy for us to wag fingers and tsk about, saying, "Hah! I knew there's something fishy about this. An 18-year-old, publishing an anthology. What does she know about writing?" But she did wrong with one story. She must have written the rest (at least I hope she did). Talent is still talent. It needs nurturing for it to bloom. You've all slapped her hand, spanked her bottom with a thick <i>rotan</i>. Why not give her a second chance, nurture her, make her experience going through this public humiliation a lesson to all.<br /><br />If you squash her now, it's going to be one less Malaysian-English writer out there in the world, and frankly, we can't afford that. We need all the talent we can get.Fadzlishah Johanabashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207809388368447254noreply@blogger.com